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Felnak De'Lara
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: Drow Greeting and Rank |
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GREETING:
Drow culture is quite formal in regards to greeting. You must convey deference or respect to the higher ranking individuals. We must learn our greetings or I will have to RP the consequences... at the least it will be a curt reminder or a slap, but possibly a beating.
You must differentiate between a "friend" and a "superior". Greeting a superior like you would greet a friend is not proper RP and subject to disciplinary action. I am sure I am missing some that others can post and add. There may be exceptions for higher ranking males but this is a quick guide.
Keep in mind there is a difference between rank and social influence. Any female outranks a male. However, some males have considerable social influence and power. Lowly females outrank these male but should show some respect toward them since the male is much more influential and powerful. If the female shows respect toward these males, the males are much more likely to use his power and influence in her favor.
* Generally, males and lower ranking females will cast their eyes down when meeting a higher ranking female. Usually they will wait to be acknowledged before initiating a greeting. Come up but stand a distance away. Emote. Cast your eyes down. Emote. Wait for acknowledgement. Emote. Eventually a female may become bold and greet, a male will usually wait. Keep in mind, there are always exceptions, like if the individual is a messenger in the process of delivering an important message. RP it. *
1. Male greets male of equal or lower rank: Vendui, dalninuk. (Hello, Brother)
2. Male greets male of higher rank: Vendui, title
3. Male greets female: *bow* Vendui, jabbress, Ulfaernz'un'arr, Yathrin, Yathtaller, Ilharess, Ulathtallar, Valsharess. (Hello, Mistress, Head of Sorcere, Priestess of Lolth, High Priestess of Lolth, Matron, the Highest of the High Priestesses of Lolth, Queen).
ALWAYS, greet the Ilharess first then the highest ranking individuals on down to the lower. The only possible exception to this is greeting the Valsharess, who may be greeted first. The Ulathtallar says to greet the Ilharess first then the Ulathtallar. NEVER greet the lower ranking individuals first!!! NEVER!!!
4. Female greets female of equal rank:
If both are low rank... Vendui, dalninil. (Hello, sister)
If both are higher rank... *nods or head bow* Vendui, dalninil.
5. Female greets higher rank female: *bow* Vendui Jabbress, Ulfaernz'un'arr, Yathrin, Yathtaller, Ilharess, Ulathtallar, Valsharess. Hello, Mistress, Head of Sorcere, Priestess of Lolth, High Priestess of Lolth, Matron, Highest of the High Priestesses of Lolth, Queen).
ALWAYS, greet the Ilharess first then the highest ranking individuals on down to the lower. The only possible exception to this is greeting the Valsharess, who may be greeted first. The Ulathtallar says to greet the Ilharess first then the Ulathtallar. NEVER greet the lower ranking individuals first!!! NEVER!!!
6. Higher ranking female greets lower ranking female: Vendui, dalninil. If you are a lower ranking female DO NOT GREET THEM BACK IN THE SAME MANNER! They are not your sister, they are your SUPERIOR!
When approaching a group, do not run up and interrupt so quickly. Wait a few seconds for one to acknowledge you. Greet the one who acknowledges you, then the others, your Ilharess first, then according to rank. If no acknowledgment, proceed with the greeting, your Ilharess first, then according to rank.
If De'Lara greets a certain individual you do not know... pay ATTENTION! If De'Lara does... *bow* Vendui, Valsharess. You better do likewise, because De'Lara just greeted the Queen of Szith. You do not need to know exactly who it is but follow suit. Anything less can shame De'Lara or House Morcane
If by chance we forget some formality, I will attempt to assist IC or possibly OOC. If I say to "Greet the Ulathtallar" please do so with a bow and a greeting. I may supply the proper greeting in a tell.... *bows* Vendui, Ulathtallar. Please do so.
FAREWELL: Much like the greetings but REQUEST to be excused. Ilharess, may I be excused, I must rest, I have business to attend to, I must join others on patrol, I must run an errand for my jabbress, etc.
TITLES
Valsharess......Mas'Futo
Ulathtallar.......Bel'drana Mori'hyanda
Ilharess...........De'Lara Morcane, Ashian'darra Dev'Lin, Mas'Zhara Mori'handa
Ulfaerz'un'arr...Amenia Mori'hyanda
CITY INSTITUTES
ARACH-TINILITH............................................Temple of Lloth and academy for Yathrin
El'lar d'Ssinssrigg..........................................House of Pleasure
SORCERE......................................................Academy of Wizardry
MELEE-MAGTHERE.........................................Academy of Warfare
Valsharen Drow Vel'Xundussa Magthere.......Royal Drow Security Institute("VDVM")
Nawen seeking the title of Ul'Veldriss (Arch Shadow Mistress) in the VDVM
(****) nominated for Ssins d'Aerth (professional entertainer) in the El'lar d'Ssinssrigg jaluk
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Felnak De'Lara
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: |
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HOUSE RANK
*This is a proposed rank based on our meeting... post with suggestions*
# Rank Member(s) Additional Information
10 Ilharess....... (Matron)...............................De'Lara
9 Yathtallar....... (High Priestess)...................Valdina
8 Yathrin........... (Priestess)...........................Sorith, Saya, Vi'rin
7 Yath'sargtlin... (Holy Warrior)......................Eleuthera
6 Ul'Saruk......... (Warlord)..............................K'rall
5 Qu'el'faeruk.... (House Wizard)....................Rizzen
5 Qu'el'saruk..... (House Weapon Master)........
5 Qu'el'velguk... (House Assassin)..................Nawen
4 Faern............. (Mage)..................................Moriand
4 Drada'quarthin (Lieutenant)........................Ceil
4 Velg�larn........ (Assassin).............................Radra
3 Zhaunin......... (Mage�s Apprentice)..............
3 Sargtlin......... (Soldier/Warrior)..................
3 Olplyn............ (Thief)...................................Dlillen
2 Shebali.......... (New Recruits).....................
1 Any new house member will start without a title and has to complete some basic requirements in oder to obtain Shebali.
To obtain a Rank higher than Shebali, you will have to pass the Challenges of Lolth first.
Daughters: Drenn, Anya
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Dlareh Ceil, Rad
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Edited above: jabbuk and jabbress both have two 'B's
Also changed your jabbuk to dalninuk. The former means master, the later is brother like you wanted.
I don't see myself typing "ulfaernz'un'arr" in-game anytime soon . . Amenia'll have to settle for jabbress, hehe |
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Spiderbait Moriand
Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 49 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: |
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thank god for this quote, iv been trying to explain this to others since forever... as others have seen it as rebelious
Quote: | Keep in mind there is a difference between rank and social influence. Any female outranks a male. However, some males have considerable social influence and power. Lowly females outrank these male but should show some respect toward them since the male is much more influential and powerful. If the female shows respect toward these males, the males are much more likely to use is power and influence in her favor. |
_________________ I'll kill anyone who gets in the way of me killing anyone! |
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quizzt Saya
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 254 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the information, I will try the best I can to make the propar greetings and in the correct order.
All I have to do now is buy a printer
(or just start up my old laptop with this post open ) |
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Felnak De'Lara
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Dlareh wrote: | Edited above: jabbuk and jabbress both have two 'B's
Also changed your jabbuk to dalninuk. The former means master, the later is brother like you wanted.
I don't see myself typing "ulfaernz'un'arr" in-game anytime soon . . Amenia'll have to settle for jabbress, hehe |
I have used this title in game... it is just SILLY! Last time, Amenia did not respond to De'Lara using the title Ilharess so I will allow the lower rank person to supply the title first.
Thanks for the edits... I will make the above corrections if not made. |
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Felnak De'Lara
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Spiderbait wrote: | thank god for this quote, iv been trying to explain this to others since forever... as others have seen it as rebelious
Quote: | Keep in mind there is a difference between rank and social influence. Any female outranks a male. However, some males have considerable social influence and power. Lowly females outrank these male but should show some respect toward them since the male is much more influential and powerful. If the female shows respect toward these males, the males are much more likely to use is power and influence in her favor. |
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Ah, it is not rebellious, only a reflection of reality. For example... the consort of the Valsharess will have considerable influence.
About 2 months ago, I read on TFR website, some information posted by Sherincal420. This is my best recollection of that information in a quick clean format. |
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Xilow Nandra, Nawen
Joined: 21 Jan 2008 Posts: 124 Location: KY, USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info, Felnak. I'll have Nawen be mindful of her greetings |
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PrinceMyshkin Eleuthera, Elvanshalee Vildess
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 1100
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Oh "heya n00b" always works! |
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Felnak De'Lara
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Protocol Jabbress/Jabbuk
I am considering appointing a Protocol Jabbress/Jabbuk for social events. Sort of the Drow equivalent of a Greeter.
The Protocol Jabbress would carry a special small quirt used to strike a person who did not express the proper protocol in greeting. Pain associated would be minimal but the strike would be enough to alert the recipient that an error has been made. De'Lara would also have a quirt. Any errant strike would be corrected by De'Lare including a strike to the Protocol Jabbress. Any errors not corrected by the Protocol Jabbress could be corrected by De'Lara including a stike to the Protocol Jabbress. This position could rotate throughout the house and even rotate several times during one meeting!
The posistion could even rotate to Protocol Jabbuk. In that case the Protocol Jabbuk would identify the infraction for De'Lara to dispense the disciplinary action. If correct, the identified one is struck. If incorrect, the Protocol Jabbuk is struck. Failure to identify an error will result in the Protocol Jabbuk being struck.
The identification of an error could be sounded out like, "Protocol Error!" See above for administering of the strike. After the strike, the Protocol Jabbress (or Ilharess) would state, "Bel'la dos, for participating" or something appropriate. Usually, the two would nod to each other in recognition.
Some explanation of the error may be given so all may understand.
Junior members are not supposed to make errors but occasionally, senior members will make intentional errors so that the Protocol Jabbress/Jabbuk will have to successfully identify these errors. The cleverness of these errors can earn one favor. This could be a game played at house events that is in the guise of social learning. No fighting will be tolerated in association with this game.
In general, there is no shame associated with being struck by the Protocol Jabbress in house... out of house is another matter since that represents disciplinary action.
More serious errors are handled by De'Lara with a larger quirt or whip. |
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Dlareh Ceil, Rad
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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I think I'm going to puke . .
Er, I mean . . . well that's just too formalized. If you want to whip someone, do so to your heart's content and leave them lying in a pool of their own blood . . but please, no protocol officers! The horror!!! |
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Felnak De'Lara
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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The focus here is to correct the greeting while still having RP and not get caught up in the discipline. This is just an occasional thing... not all the time. Perhaps Ceil will be "chosen" first as Protocol Jabbuk! |
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quizzt Saya
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 254 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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Now I am really going to buy a printer, no even better I am writing it down right now. |
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Nasia Anya
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 232 Location: Madrid, Spain
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: |
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What should make anya to get the Yathrin title into the Morcane house?
She is not in the yathrinen list above because of she was eemmmm praying Lolth at the temple meanwhile the meeting was hold. |
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Felnak De'Lara
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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What build is Anya and what level is she? Is Lolth her god? If Anya is Cleric or Favored Soul build, then she is in the line for Yathrin provided her god is Lolth. If she is Fighter build, then Sargtlin is the line. If Rogue, then Thief and Assassin is the line. With the right information, I can put her in the correct spot. I just read over your bio again... think you are a cleric of Lolth but just need you to confirm.
Please add more to your journal... I enjoy reading it!
Feel free to send me a PM every few days if you are not seeing me in game. That is a good way to relay information or carry on some dialogue with the Ilharess. You can make your PM either IC or OOC.
After you work your way up in the House, there are higher City Institute positions that may be available. I would like to expound on the City Institute positions but there is some variability in the information. I will likely have to ask DM Ilsensine which could take some time to essentially design many lower ranks. _________________ De'Lara, Ilharess of House Morcane |
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Nasia Anya
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 232 Location: Madrid, Spain
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | What build is Anya and what level is she? |
Favoured Soul, character level 5th
Yes, what else?
Quote: | If Anya is Cleric or Favored Soul build, then she is in the line for Yathrin provided her god is Lolth. |
does It means that Anya has to prove her god is Lolth ICly or that I should prove my build has it Lolth as god selected.
If the former no problem she is a crazy follower of Lolth, fanatic I would dare to say, if the the later I think I got a problem coz I selected other god than Lolth just to use warhammer as my favoured weapon and not a dagger which is the Lolth's weapon.
I hope it is not a problem, it would be really to strict that about the weapon at an OOCly level, isn't it?
Quote: | With the right information, I can put her in the correct spot. I just read over your bio again... think you are a cleric of Lolth but just need you to confirm. |
Well I am not a cleric but Anya is
Quote: | Please add more to your journal... I enjoy reading it! |
Thank you for your kindly words and yes, you right I have my journal a bit forgotten I will try to use some of my playing time to write a bit instead.
Quote: | Feel free to send me a PM every few days if you are not seeing me in game. That is a good way to relay information or carry on some dialogue with the Ilharess. You can make your PM either IC or OOC. |
I love that idea and I use to make it with my other character, Nasia Marlain because is really difficult sometimes to get in game everybody so I send as many PM as I need in a rpish way.
By the way I sent you a rpish message to you, it was about the dirty Nawen, did you read it? =)~ (hey Xilow no offense you are really a great mate and you know I like you but Nawem... *grumbles*)
Also, I encourage the other members to make the same each other. It is really a good way to make some roleplaying in a not public way (sometimes there are information that maybe you don't want the others know and a IC forum is nice but sometimes the people can't help to metagame that information so here you are the way to make it )
Quote: | After you work your way up in the House, there are higher City Institute positions that may be available. I would like to expound on the City Institute positions but there is some variability in the information. I will likely have to ask DM Ilsensine which could take some time to essentially design many lower ranks. |
I would like to take a charge at ARACH-TINILITH some day, when I am not so busy at real life and Anya was enough high level to take it... *grins*
Anyway it is a long way for it. By now I will focus in my way in the house that is really hard
Well, let me know about anything that concerns you, if so, and what else I should make to make Anya a Yathrin of the house, just is case she should make something.
Thank you for your time.
Nasia |
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PrinceMyshkin Eleuthera, Elvanshalee Vildess
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 1100
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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I think as long as you are evil, and you RP your deity is Lloth*, it is alright... |
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Nasia Anya
Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 232 Location: Madrid, Spain
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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PrinceMyshkin wrote: | I think as long as you are evil, and you RP your deity is Lloth*, it is alright... |
Oh ! I got a problem then, coz I use to be really lawfull....
Well Anya is Neutral Evil tha is a valid alignment of priest of Lolth, and yes I use to RP a devotion for Lolth which should have every priest of that god.
*starts to pray Lolth to ask her for no finding traffic jump*
I gotta go home |
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Felnak De'Lara
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding Anya... looks fine! There are quite a few Drow who worship gods other than Lolth, so I had to ask. Will get Anya on the list for Yathrin... or at least on the Yathrin track. I read the IC message from Anya... I will check if De'Lara responded. De'Lara has had problems getting some time to RP with the Ulathtallar. _________________ De'Lara, Ilharess of House Morcane |
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