House Morcane

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

I will not necessarily have time to update this, but someone was interested in how many members Morcane has currently, so I figured a more up to date public list would be helpful.

Currently there are 30-some players of which about 8 are inactive to some degree.

Dieu_Le_Fera · Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject:

i miss szun... he was a lot of help when i first started in morcane Sad

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Rizzen Morcane · Rizzen, Koll, Hell'ga Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 298

ya I dont know what happned to Y'ir
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cryptc · Charylene Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

So not logging on with my char for a few days and I'm inactive?

What kind of demands are put on activity?

Dieu_Le_Fera · Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject:

I think just put you inactive cause they havnt seen you on in a while, though i did see you on maybe a few days ago in sizith
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cryptc · Charylene Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject:

That's right cryptc we don't want you here...

Changed

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

Eh well I think I've seen Charylene on maybe twice in the past five week or so, and thought of her as mostly inactive. Then recently I saw you playing on the other server with those people taking a break from TFR and assumed you'd be on even less now. Sorry if that was the wrong assumption, I'm glad to be wrong =P

FWIW, I also consider characters like Jhanice and Masun to be mostly inactive, and Dek and Besh to be inactive.

I don't know what you mean by "every few weeks at least", but it's really not personal.
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cryptc · Charylene Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Goodguy666 · Fargol Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 178

Kor'ali supposedly has 30 members, mostly active. So they are more than us, accorind to themselves. Guess that means no complaining we are recruiting too many members. If they can get 30 members in 2 months whats wrong with 32 members (with inactive) during years of play..

Here is the link to the 30 members, mostly active:

http://forgottenrealm.ca/smf/index.php/topic,88.0.html

Goodguy

Mr_Otyugh · DM Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

*sorry to hop in this thread too*

The amount of people in guilds is always sorta two sided blade...
1) some players are in many guilds same time.
2) timezones... you can have 20 people during EU times and none US times.
3) Some are 10 hours on everyday, others are 2 hours every other day.
4) Playing times, some play up to 8 am through night, others quit at 9pm already.
5) alternative characters.

Numbers is not always same as activity from what I learned from handling Militia of Aator, however when I heard from other player that others were pissed because I basically recruited everyone, I stepped back and gave some space to breath, didn't go to recruit others, but if someone asked I told what Militia did and all that, if they wanted to join it was up to them to come to me.

Don't care too much about the 'inactive' things, unless it leads to "kicking out of guild", in those cases I suggest leaving big easily noticed message to people who are in threat to get kicked out to leave explanation why they have been gone and give time to fix it even if they come back in later on. (we all know how real life can strike unexpectedly with backstab modifier x5)

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

No problem at all Mr.O, you're more than welcome here.

Goodguy, let's just say Hades is being a tad optimistic : )

Active Kor'ali on TFR right now is closer to half that 30 figure.

And it wasn't 2 months, remember that Kor'ali is about four real-life years old.
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Goodguy666 · Fargol Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 178

Wasent trying to use it as a measure of guild activity, merly that Kor'ali is pretty decently sized also (according to themselves at least) so I see no reason for us to really change our politics of recruitment Smile

PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject:

Saldo, this guild has no persona non grata. We welcome all.

You will not get kicked out no matter how you dissagree, or how active you are or anything.

You will get kicked out, if there is an RP reason, or serious OOC reason. So far only one person has managed to do it.

We have so many people within our ranks, we have even some who are here just to spy us. We welcome them all, although we know who they are. If they feel like that let them be. If we are so important, they need to implant spies, let them have them! Smile

If you would like to see what's happening inside, you can very much join us yourself. I would love to see you involved.

Yes, I am afraid some Drow houses may need some support. When we mamange to pursuade TFR to change Drow house ranks, I will try to join another guild. I feel I have done the most I could for House Morcane, it is now a beacon of RP, and has many players to support it.

I have strong bonds with Mori'hyanda and if they move to the 4th rank, they will need some people to support them.

Mr_Otyugh · DM Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

Not gonna join any drow house and unlikely will ever do a drow. People tend to take them too seriously and I'm not too interested in OOC grief. It's too competitive system on case of drow to work decently, sometimes there's more silent times sometimes there's less silent times, but the competition always exists. Wink

So I'll rather just stick away from one of the bee nests hehe.

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

Aye aye, it's a rough life, best stick to frolicking on the surface ; )
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PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject:

You are missing the exclusive to members only forum! This is the cherry that tops the cake!

RP, argumenets, stories, pictures, graphic designing, gossip, crafting, votes, polls! Let alone the powerbuilding section!

Have you seen the textures of our new shield!? Tsk! Rolling Eyes

Mr_Otyugh · DM Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

I bet every private forums mostly has their own *bleep* tossing on those that can't see it... ;P

PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject:

The thing is some have said we say nasty things inside... I wouldn't mind to show to everyone what we have said. There is no nastiness, nor aggression, nor have we spitted on DMs.

Are you sure you don't want to play a Morcane? *smiles* rolls 1 *Ups! Self comfidence issue!*

Mr_Otyugh · DM Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

I think you need higher bluff before I buy it Wink

... every private forums... as long as people think no one is watching they feel secure of talking behind peoples backs, everyone is quilty on that at some measurement. The more private the more tossing *bleep* because the less people witnessing it. That's why I always liked public forums more.

Secondly problem of private forums is lack of information flow on the others and getting think-a-likes on "your" side whether you know the opposing side or not, because you only actually hear the side of your companions which can lead to situations where one thinks they're right, but in the end it's just hear say things.

Reason why I never made forums to Militia... not needed, rather talk with public about it or handle them in game was my thing when running guild. Wink

But anyways I'm off topic so I'll quit it here.

PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject:

Why don't you come in and read?

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

Here be dragons!
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Nasia · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject:

I think it is a bit hard to maintain a table like that one.

I mean I have been playing mostly every days of the last week and I have been cataloged as "MOSTLY INACTIVE" of course from the point og view of the events (mostly of them U.S.A hour based) I have been mostly inactive.

Of course I don't care whether Anya appears inactive or not in that table but it could be harmfull for the house to not take account the people who only could play at European timetable.

How could we make a proper account for every time in the world?

There is no way from Server logs which said us how much time a player has been inactive or how much has been playing?

Is that table just a ranking about how much events a character has been involved in?

Of course, don't misunderstand me, I would like to stay as "mostly inactive " as i couldn't sure you that i will able playing this week but as I said to take a wrong account could be unproperly for the house.

I would like to use this post to confirm of course I am not playing as much as I used to but there are powerfull RL reason that force me to don't play by night (the only time I was able to play in)

Take care you all and, just in case we didn't see again each other in game, it was apleasure to roleplay with you.

(i am sure we will, tought)

Wink

baby_cow · Keira Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 68

(adding this in for those that aren't aware of this)

How the Kor'ali are recruiting so many members: free give-away & sending PM (tell) to every new drow they see in Szith.

I'm not going to name any names, but one of my friend (who is a Kor'ali now *shakes fist at him*) got tempted b/c Vorne promised to give him a Kor'ali hide armor if he joins. It works; new players are 'suckers' for nice items. *shrug*

Don't get me wrong, i'm one of those 'suckers' too.. i love nice items Very Happy

but it's not my MAIN reason for joining any guild.. if you haven't noticed, the House of Morcane is the only guild i'm in and will stick with b/c of the people that made all the RP so enjoyable. However, I think it's just sneaky and desperate for a drow house to be parading on the forum about how many members they have yet their method of recruitment.. hmm.. what's the best way to say it.. hmm.. lacks integrity.

It makes me think that they are exchanging quality of RPers for quantity. *shrug* maybe it's their tactics, recruit as many and cut off them like weeds when they're inactive? While hoping the remaining members are more involved. Hmm.. I wouldn't know, but I know I'm not going to put much thought on how many 'members' they have.

Hades · Vorne Kor'ali Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 50

Whoah, Baby Cow thats very innacurate. I dont recall ever recruiting anyone oocly. I may have talked to players in tells, but that doesnt mean they are recruited. Most of our members are from NWN 1 who have recently joined us on nwn 2. NO ONE in our guild joined because of free items. Hell our guild armor isnt even enchanted, its just a base item. Our recruitment has been going well because we have been focusing on it ICly. Any members we take in are taken because of the quality of their rp not because were looking grab anyone we see.

Also members that we take in at low levels are done so at the request of other members. I rp with them and based on that rp, I decide if they will be admitted or not.

No, by all means dont put much thought behind how many members we have please. These members are scattered in different time zones and many of them are inactive currently due to various reasons.

Personally this crap about "oh they have more members yada yada..." is pretty lame. Who the hell cares how many members we have? Its not like even a third of them are epic level powerbuilders like some of the Morcane, Dev'lin and Mori'hyanda characters I see. (No Names Mentioned) Your guild might have been around on TFR for a year or two, but Kor'ali has been around on RPGs for over four years.

Im not saying we are any better or worse than anyone else, but what I am saying is that our members became members through IC roleplay and actions, not through the various OOC conversatons I have with people, which by the way are none of your damn business.

Have a nice bloody day.

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

I agree with Hades and am disappointed with the above. I'll try to assume good faith and view it as a misunderstanding, but....*sigh*

I _really_, _really_....._really_ dislike it when people treat this drow house stuff as an OOC competition. From what I know of Hades, it's not his style at all.
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baby_cow · Keira Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 68

First of all, I heard from other players through PM and Tell about the Kor�ali House recruiting them. The initial �invitation� to join the house was via �free items� or �Kor�ali House would be rank 1 soon (this was when Drow House ranking was still active). I will not name names but that was what I was told.

As for the actual recruiting, perhaps it was through IC RPing when the players meet� but the initial approach to grab their attention so that they will stop to listen was through what I have mentioned. That was a few months ago before the Kor�ali House was up and running on TFR. Now that the Kor�ali House has some members, perhaps the recruiting tactic has changed *shrug*

And yes, I do agree that Kor�ali members do RP very nicely. I have RP with some of them.

And no, I do not care how many members a certain House has� it�s irrelevant to me *shrug*. I do not have a personal vendetta against any house just because they are not from the Morcane.

And yes Hades, it�s your �own damn business� whatever you have with other characters. It�s also my own damn business to state what I hear and have my own opinion. If you don�t like, then don�t read. Just like how I don�t go to the Kor�ali House�s forum to read your posts.

And you have a bloody good day too.

Hades · Vorne Kor'ali Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 50

I know who your talking about reguarding that conversation. It was the only person I spoke to oocly because I met her in the ooc room, so we started chatting. Yes, I mentioned the house armor having just been implimented and I mentioned that we were attempting to become the second or first house, however I did not use these as a means of recruiting her or any other player. It was nothing more than an ooc room chitchat.

OOC bribes and promises have never been among our tactics for recruiting reguardless of what you think. You dont believe me? Try asking our house members. I guarentee that each and every one of them will vouch that I never recruited them through the means you described but rather through solid IC roleplay.

And even though I migth not like what I read, when I see someone talking shit about me oocly, I tend to talk back regaurdless of which forums they are on.

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject:

Hades + Dlareh = Love for ever...

Nasia and Keira best thing to do is ignore these two. Partially I don't want to be on the server, because of the attitude they bring.

baby_cow · Keira Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 68

Your words... my words... *bleh* here comes the he say she say game. They all boil down to opinion and impression. You have your opinion, I have mine... hence the forum to post the opinion. If people choose to believe wholeheartedly or half-ass heartedly, that's their choice.

And Dlareh, believe it or not, I heard from more than one person telling me. I did not blow anything out of proportion. I stated what I heard. I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE anything.

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

"my words" ? Were they really yours? If you were making a first-hand account that would be one thing, but you're not.

You said it was other people telling you, and made the claim: "How the Kor'ali are recruiting so many members: free give-away & sending PM (tell) to every new drow they see in Szith."

...which Hades has explained is inaccurate, and which I also know to not be the case having spoken to a good number of Kor'ali's recruits.

So what you heard is wrong, and the way you put it forward: "(adding this in for those that aren't aware of this)" etc. has the appearance of being disingenuous, as if you knew this for a fact. I'm not trying to be accusatory, I hope you were just misled and made a mistake.

I'm sorry, but hearsay put off as fact isn't a nice thing, too many things can go wrong, including your own embelishment/misunderstanding. If you're unwilling to apologize then that's your call, but it's not nice at all so I'm disappointed.

With regard to the people you've spoken to: If they have still have problems maybe you could suggest they post to the Kor'ali forum themselves or contact Hades directly if they don't want to be public about it.
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Hades · Vorne Kor'ali Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 50

No one needs to apologise if it was a misunderstanding, but thank you Dlareh for your support, much appreciated.

I have no problems with you baby_cow, I just wanted to make sure that this kind of talk was straightened out because I feel it is innacurate. Yes I was a bit insulted by the thought of it, since it goes against my rp philosophies and whatnot, but I tried to remain cool in the posts, if I came off as harsh, it wasnt intended.

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

adzling · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject:

dlareh and mysh have issues and from what i have seen they have been propigated from both directions.

vorne/hades i have no issues with whatsoever now that he has been on the server for a while.
I do believe keira about vorne/hades doing whatever it might take to get members for his house however i do not hold it against him, if i was in his position i would be doing anything i could to increase my houses power.

why do i believe keira? because vorne has actually pm'd in the now distant past about crossing over with celith to korali. This ooc tell may have been just a joke and i have to say whether it was a genuine offer or not it did not offend me in the slightest.
Part of drow rp is being deceitful and underhanded, however that plays out.
Prying allies (or even house members) away from one another is not out of the question if it can be rp'd authentically.

so while i can understand keira as a player getting miffed about perceived actions of hades/korali it's ultimately a personal decision about how one reacts.
Celith treats most of the new korali blood as little more than poop to wipe off his shoes, he even goes so much as to call them "koralings".
It's funny to see the attitude returned by istinid in his derogatory comments about celith.
however this all IC and ooc i actually hold istinid and vorne in fairly high regard.

so in the end *shrug* whatevs....

Hades · Vorne Kor'ali Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 50

Thanks azdling mate. I do remember that encounter with you and I remember saying just that but it was a one liner joke followed by a "lmao" which im sure you realised since we never rped anything in that direction icly.

Rizzen Morcane · Rizzen, Koll, Hell'ga Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 298

Karond · Olor'tyrr Kor'ali Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 3

As a new Kor'ali player, I'll say this:

All guilds I've seen on this server, recruits FAR too easily. EVERY guild just runs after the new players, trying to recruit them the first time they see them, because otherwise, the next time, they might end up with another house. At least that is the belief, and I despise you ALL for it. I despise the Kor'ali, the Mori'hyanda, the Morcane and the Dev'lin, as I've gotten invites from all of you very quickly, in one way or another (and might I add, noone has had any difficulty joining any house. Meh)

Yes, I've been given items from Kor'ali players before I joined the House.

Yes, I've been given items from Morcane players before I joined a house.

In both examples, I've even seen my party members being given items by Morcane/Kor'ali players.

The only difference that I've seen, is that the items I and others got from Kor'ali players where not a bribe to get me to join them. In my case, it was simply a character I meet, that tossed some things to me saying she just didn't need them, to help me out. No mentioning of the house at all.

On the contrary, I've had several party members being given items to become part of the Morcane, the saying going: "Just a few things to help you out. And think about joining the Morcane, we're a powerful house you know". I know exactly who these people where, and I'll not slander them, but I'll say this to you all:

Don't throw stones around when you're in a house made of glass.

adzling · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject:

very interesting karond....perhaps it might server all houses (and players) better if szith institutes a couple of rules regarding house recruiting...

mebbe something like:

players have to be level 5 before they can join a house.
once a week a blooding ritual is undertaken by a group of possible new nobles...the ones that past have the option of joining a house the ones that fail get to try again in a couple of weeks..

this might help, might not.

do people care enough about this?

my character routinely takes some time to hang out in szith and give out some of the weaker items, scrolls and potions he acquires to low levellers.
But i never use that as an entree to attempt to recruit, usually just try to get a sense of someone's rp.
After all they are just shebali rabbble Wink

Dieu_Le_Fera · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject:

I give stuff out just to be nice... nothing of big value but usually +1 items and such like to Anadring for sure because money I don't need and people did the same to me both as a surfacer and as a Drow... I never used it as a bribe though to get people to join Morcane ::shrug::
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Beleg · Vornrak Joined: 16 May 2008 Posts: 182 Location: Montreal

The same here. Even if IC it is not quite the drow way, I give stuff around I dont need. I spoted a lvl1 in the bat cave on my way to the lizards folks. He was getting beaten by that vampire bat. I watched (while in shadows) and healed him. Once he beat the beast, we rpied a bit. Told him to watch out, to hone skilla and if I ever observe him not improve, He would be that dead bat...and bla bla bla.

Gave him moderate cure wounds and stuff like that. Told him that if he got better, he'd have a chance to petition for Morcane House. No Bribery, just to seek me in Szith whenever and if ever he feels like it, I could introduce him to other quellar members.

Is that called bribery? Not in my book. Just setting up the occasion for future RP that could lead to one new player to join house. It could be any house for what im concerned.

And Ceilith, not only you help new house-less player but also quellar ones, like miself. I Elk enchanted that adamantine rapier you gave me, which in turn got upgraded by Rizzen.

adzling · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject:

yeah happy to help beleg Wink

and sonia got a nice cape and that new yathrin of morcane (her name escapes me) got a periapt of wisdom +2 and a ring with a cleric spell on it.

celith feels it behooves him to make friends of new house members early with gifts before they attain enough power that his big mouth pisses them off Wink

Karond · Olor'tyrr Kor'ali Joined: 10 Jul 2008 Posts: 3

adzling · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject:

i am proud to be a morcane, it took me over a month of petitioning/ scheming to become a member.

karond do you want to discuss the idea of implementing recruiting ground rules with hades/vorne?

If he likes the idea perhaps we can get the ilahress of all houses together for an ooc discussion on the topic.

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

Dieu_Le_Fera · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject:

yup... my first house assignment keep an eye on celith Smile

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adzling · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject:

haha well mebbe i still am and i have fooled all of you and am now working under deep cover Wink

Hades · Vorne Kor'ali Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 50

I think some ground rules for recruiting couldnt really hurt. Of course this would just be new commers. If these rules were implimented, let it be known that every now and then you will see a lvl 1 or 2 Kor'ali, but typically these are Kor'ali from creation and not new members. Some are alts from other Kor'ali pcs, some are Kor'ali PCs returning to the guild from NWN 1.

Heh, sorry started rambling. Anyway, I dont see any reason why a list of...not rules per say, but perhaps guidelines couldnt be worked out. I would more than willingly discuss this matter in a private chat with each of the Matron Mothers from each of the houses.

Dieu_Le_Fera · Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject:

I know one DM is rather unpleased at how quickly recruiting goes in the UD
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Of_Memory_and_Sorrow · Xi'Shae Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 215

Personally I think the issue is overblown like many of the others... mostly I think it is simply a matter of someone being interested in a House, maybe it happens to be they meet someone is a party and ask about and ppl become chummy and give them info, and they decide on their own. I think the whole idea of heavy recruiting is BS... personally if any of you Morcane were heavily recruited or recruited with item promises could you post here?