House Morcane

Of_Memory_and_Sorrow · Xi'Shae Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 215

After the incident with Alura Mori'hyanda (Darkleaf) last night in which she totally disrespected Ilharess Morcane and the yathrin of the temple amongst others, and claimed to be a Handmaiden of Lolth, I spoke with Hari and he said no he/she doesnt have permission to play a Handmaiden (no demons, demon types), and informed Darkleaf of that as well so he knows it now, and that we can treat her/him as a heretic and punish as we see fit, although the Darkleaf was such an ass OOC I would suggest we ignore the character completely.

Nasia · Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject:

sorry about that happened.

at least it was a jalil Razz

Rizzen Morcane · Rizzen, Koll, Hell'ga Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 298

RP it to Bel and punish it severely Smile

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Felnak · De'Lara Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA

Rizzen has the answer!

De'Lara, accompanied by Xi'Shae, would inform the Ulathtallar of this incident with the heretic. The punishment for heresy is death, but we will see. The Ulathtallar is the supreme figure in dealing with issues of heresy; in fact she must act or face the potential of losing her position. Previously, DM Ilsensine has stated that positions such as these may be won in matters where the one holding the office fails to act or acts incorrectly. However, the Ulathtallar will not fail. This matter is so clear cut that she will resovle it easily.

This issue has a typical Drow solution. 1. Ultimately, the heretic is eliminated by the Ulathtallar and not House Morcane; another does what we request. 2. The hands of House Morcane remain relatively unsoiled.

Keep in mind that these types of characters actions are so extreme, that there is little room for the Ulathtallar to consider any other treatment other than extreme punishment.

I can not imagine anyone in House Morcane being so clueless and rude as to take an action such as this. This is why we screen applicants for membership considering past and present actions, as well as IC and OOC behavior.
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Felnak · De'Lara Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA

I just fielded some tells from Darkleaf in game. Would I say the tone is apologetic? Well, for someone who has been banned from the server, and continues with actions such as this one, he know enough to attempt to make amends. He states that due to the happenings he told Hari that he will no longer be playing a Drow. Ok. I think the situation was not far from Hari telling him he will no longer be playing a Drow or awarding him with a two week vacation. Darkleaf does not wish to continue to argue. I say there is nothing to argue... Hari has stated what is right and what is wrong.

As with the recent increase in Drow and Surfacers messed up PvP encounters, this incident will NOT affect my RP nor my interaction with others, beyond identifying the grossly OOC actions of impersonating a representative or messenger of a diety.

God mode is a state in some video games wherein the player character is invulnerable to damage. It is typically activated by entering a cheat code. The term may also be used when the CPU opponent, mostly in sports games, goes into a "god-like" state, deliberately altering the probabilities and mechanics of gameplay in its favour.

God Mode or God-Moding: The definition seems to vary. In some circles, it means the same as autoing, while others liken it to power-playing.

Auto
To control a character that does not belong to you. Sometimes referred to as "god-moding."

Auto-Hit
To injure someone else's character without giving that person the chance to decide if the character dodges or something similar.

Power-Play
To play a character so that it is too powerful in some respect, such as having city-shattering powers or being impervious to injury. Sometimes referred to as "god-moding." (Specifically, impersonating a representative or messenger of a diety, not being subject to customary rules of conduct, etc.)

A form of Power-Play which may be termed "God-Moding":
The action of impersonating, representing, or implying, explicity or implicitly that a player controlled character in some way, shape or form is acting or has undue information and/or undue favor as to the intent or actions of a diety. This action is reserved for DMs only!

Players who partake in these actions are assuming powers or actions to which they are not entitled, thereby skewing the playing field, and in extreme cases, totally ruining the RP. You can not properly RP with them. DM intervention is required.

Ultimately, in extreme cases, the damage goes far beyond any transitory frustration and anger at the other(s) for ruining the RP. A broad and general loss of respect for the RP of the offender(s) is much more damaging and lasting.

The events proceed as so: You did it. You were repeatedly informed you were doing it. You continued with it. Afterward, you posted about it. You reveled in it, degrading others. You argued it, even with authorities. Summary judgment was forced upon you. You lost respect of others.

If you suspect another of God-Moding... just leave... and report it.
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YaBasta · Radra Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 113

Felnak - thanks for posting this. It is informative and helpful.

Rizzen Morcane · Rizzen, Koll, Hell'ga Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 298

I love the terminalogy God Mode or God-Moding good going on this.

p.s. next time im in game I think ill turn this on Wink

lol
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Of_Memory_and_Sorrow · Xi'Shae Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 215

This has been confirmed by Hari himself, this character has NO POWER over any other Houses or characters. If Mori'hyanda wants to make up a position within their House to try and cover his bad RP, they can give him power ONLY within their HOUSE, not over any other House.

Felnak · De'Lara Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA

Mr_Otyugh · DM Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

Has anyone told or asked from Bel'drana of what is going on or is the "heretic" allowed to still walk in Szith? Maybe that way comes more clear. *shrugs* If she's still charged to be heretic then better make her stay unpleasant and watch 'down' on her.

Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

Alura is still calling herself a handmaiden, and apparently some other Mori are okay with it from what I've seen in-game. I don't know anything else about it.
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Mr_Otyugh · DM Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

Maybe not all Mori'hyanda knows about it? Since I haven't heard much about this myself at least... has seemed to be somewhat secret heh. Not sure was it even big news or anything. (Ya all know I don't play drow characters Razz

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Rizzen Morcane · Rizzen, Koll, Hell'ga Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 298

PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject:

Alura has been created to be a hand maiden. Back in the days where there was only one house (well two Maer Dhar) in Szith and Sherincal was doing a really good job down in Szith.

I was under the impression, he dropped the character though.

I do not trust Valenfor's RP, his acts are often hectic. He can also be very abusive.

Mr_Otyugh · DM Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

Personally I'd have guessed that the position would be given to someone else heh... inactive position for months so not sure one would deserve to keep such high stand when doing nothing and when returning is getting to be heretic.

To me it sounds like House Mori'hyanda is taking risk of losing favor of Lolth.

Felnak · De'Lara Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA

Several others have also mentioned the angle of harboring a heretic in house and the risk of losing favor with Lolth. Excellent angle! We try to clean out our heretics... Raziel was our heretic who we took action to eliminate. Raziel provided for some awesome RP!
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Dlareh · Ceil, Rad Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 854

Oh Alura has an IC thread here: http://morihyanda.ath.cx/board/index.php/topic,601.0.html

I should've seen that earlier.
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Shyntree · DM Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Posts: 4

Here's the semi-official word on Alura Mori'hyanda.

She is calling herself a handmaiden.... she is NOT a Yochlol (the actual demons who are Lloth's "handmaidens".)

You do not have to put up with her beiong RPed as superior to all other yathrin, or ilharesses. If she does this - hell, humiliate her, punish her - if Alura gets killed on a daily basis as a result of untenable RP from her player, then it will become apparent real fast that she;s overstepped her RP.

The position of "handmaiden", for Alura's purposes - Mori'hyanda are treating as an internal position within Mori'hyanda - and even then, one that is tentatively held. She *might* be above other Yathrin in Mori'hyanda (this is unclear yet) but, you do not, House Morcane, have to put up with RP if she is acting like she;'s superior to all other yathrin and Ilharesses.

Keep it IC, and there is no problem. If Darkleaf's RP as Alura is untenable and Alura gets killed every day, then he'll soon realise. Just as long as you don;t do it in a way as to start a house war. Razz

Take Alura out the back and kill her in secret, or publicly humiliate her, etc.

If Alura wants to RP being a handmaiden, fine - but DMs are not giving backing to this.

Felnak · De'Lara Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA

OOC Metagaming or IC Heresy?

When placed in the position of encountering a character of questionable renown, one needs more information. OOC questions and tells were unsatisfactorily answered. Perhaps IC questioning would yield better results. In a prosecutorial manner, precise detailed pointed questions were posed to Alura. The fool thought that all of Szith was her stage, but little did she know, her trial had already begun. Alura strutted about under the barrage of a battery of questions, oblivious to the consequences of her answers. Question after question, answer after answer, slowly the information was extracted from her; facts along with much attitude. Through the questioning, Alura admitted to �direct contact with Lolth� and �having a message directly from Lolth� which she eventually delivered. OOC�wise, Alura nearly quoted Hari from the front page of TFR site. Literally, these were the words of Lolth.

Now, either Darkleaf is RPing a Demon (Yochlol) or he is not RPing a Demon (Yochlol). The former is rather unlikely but all the answers point toward that as true. The latter is much more likely; but the responses are consistent with the former; thus making the character a heretic.

Essentially, Darkleaf was RPing a Handmaiden of Lolth (Yochlol), not a Handmaiden of Szith! However, the character is NOT a Handmaiden of Lolth (Yochlol); she is a Handmaiden of Szith!

The consequences may be OOC or IC. OOC, this is Metagaming or God-Moding. IC, Alura is caught in her own web of lies and deceit� this is an act of Heresy!

After weeks of delay we may have some conclusion to this issue.

Since the character has returned, apparently the issue will be treated IC�ly.

A heretic within House Mori'hyanda... better clean that up or face further investigation!

Bring on the Inquisition! Purge the Heretics!
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PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject:

I like the whole concept, but I am not sure if DarkLeaf will ever agree to this.

Hence, maybe just ignore?

Felnak · De'Lara Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 250 Location: USA

Mysh, so far that is exactly what is happening. After the return of the character, I really did not expect otherwise. The problem here is that a loose end that should be tied up quickly is allowed to dangle in the RP. So, not only is the problem not resolved; it is allowed to persist, to linger and pollute subsequent RP. The beauty of PnP is these issues can be IMMEDIATELY resolved with appropriate action. "Roll up another character" is the phrase heard numerous times. Laughing

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PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:02 am Post subject:

*sigh* I am afraid to say you are right... But i am not sure I can stand war on one more front.

You know if you stand accuse everyone at the same time, you start losing your credibility.

Of_Memory_and_Sorrow · Xi'Shae Joined: 22 Feb 2008 Posts: 215

Like Felnak is suggesting, I think the main issue is to decide either to treat as a) OOC bad rp (which it was and is a bit ironic that this person questioned and berated my knowledge of the drow lore in tells), or b) IC Heresy (many were there to here the words IC). On the one hand saying the person never SAID they were a "Handmaiden of Lolth" as opposed to a "Handmaiden of Szith" but yet acted above the Illlharess and yathrin, while this unofficial "Handmaiden of Szith" Mori'hyanda position is clearly not above any Ilharess, nor yathrin. As a matter of fact this idea wasnt even clung to by any until they were informed by DM that they could in no way RP as a Handmaiden of Lolth, but could only perhaps be a Mori House position above no other Houses. Clearly it is bad RP as their is no House position of Handmaiden of anything listed, no matter what future attempts to cover for it are disguised as such.

I would suggest the Morcane heirarchy decide as a House how they are going to treat it, by poll or however needed, and thus move on.

PrinceMyshkin · Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject:

It was Sherincal's idea (about 10 months ago), but they had no bad intention...

Things changed a lot since that day.